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point is they are not talking about today's world. henry kissinger, jim baker, i think jim schlesinger, former secretaries of defense, many others have all agreed with that as a goal for the world. it's a goal. it's an aspiration. we should always be aspirational, but it's not something that could happen in today's world, nor could any leader today sit here or any other chair and promote to you the notion that we ought to be cutting down our deterrent level below an adequate level to maintain deter -- deterrence. the military has very strong views about what that is. we have cut down to some 1,500. there is talk of going down to a lower number. i think personally it's possible to get there if you have commensurate levels of inspections, verification, abouf your nuclear stockpile program, etc. now, senator, i know you are deeply invested in that component of it. the nuclear stockpile proposal. i made -- we can come to some of that maybe later in the hearing here, but i believe we have to maintain that. because that's the only way you maintain an effective level of deterrence. and the ru
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